عرض مصدر نقاش:القاموس التقني/أرشيف 200704

Please rename this page with an Arabic name and link to it from the Arabic main page then make an empty English version of it(which has the current name)... --[[User:Alnokta|Alnokta]] 10:48, 21 October 2006 (PDT)

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أقوم حاليا بحوار مع جمعية المترجمين العرب WATA لدراسة إمكانية بناء آلية تعاونية تتيح تطوير قاموس تقني وفق أسلوب ويكاموس

وربما يجري ربطه مع ويكاموس 
ولا أدري هل هناك إمكانية لإنشاء نسختين متزامنتين واحدة في أرابايز والأخرى في wataonline.net

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=TODO=
* <s>Special box of alphabet.</s>
* <s>Terms index under each letter.</s> '''I don't understand this?''' --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 19:53, 9 December 2006 (PST)
* <s>Merge essential.po to letter_?.po and remove essential.po</s>
* Write a clearer guide
* <s>Update the Arabic guide</s>
* <s>special info box (recent changes, urgent words, etc).</s>
* Explain why we're doing the whole project, clearly.
* <s>Typos in the resources part. (Resources, Google Search). Too late :( but I will take note when importing more words.--[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 05:55, 10 December 2006 (PST)
* Suggest more resources here:
 * [http://www.arabization.org.ma/Dictionnaire.asp معجم مكتب تنسيق العريب]
 * [http://www.scs.org.sy/modules.php?op=modload&name=Dictionary&file=index الجمعية العلمية السورية للمعلوماتية]
 * [http://www.arabicacademy.org.eg/search.asp?sid=1 معجم مجمع اللغة العربية بالقاهرة]</s>
* Clear release schedule.

Why مواقع مختلفة?
Don't you think المواقع المختلفة is more correct? --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 05:55, 10 December 2006 (PST)

== Discussion Language policies ==

What is the policy regarding discussion language of the techdict? i suggest both arabic and english should be allowed, if not arabic encouraged.--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 06:15, 10 December 2006 (PST)

== External Links, should this be templated ? ==

If the external links like those in the techdict article abort will be a standard in each article, i think they should be templated, should this be done, or would it be selective links, note that if we template a group we can still add some additional links to specific articles.--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 06:19, 10 December 2006 (PST)

: Maysara, yes. Please do template it. Not the other suggestions ^^ up made by chahibi. Yes, they are the same across all words. --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 06:31, 10 December 2006 (PST)
: In this case, will links contains the term as a search request (ex: Foldoc) ? --[[User:Chahibi|Chahibi]] 10:01, 10 December 2006 (PST)
::if i got your question right, yes, they will.--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 10:57, 10 December 2006 (PST)

== OK, things are up and running, but how to discuss? ==




My suggestion:
In the discussion page, one should cite the reasons why he prefers this term, other can reply, support with other reasons ...
The article page should include all discussed terms. Votes should go under each term using a signature.

ex:

* حاسوب
--[[Main_Page|Karim]]

--[[Main_Page|Fuad]]
* كمبيوتر
--[[Main_Page|Ammar]]
* عقل إلكتروني
--[[Main_Page|Yasser]]

In this case, since حاسوب is the favourite:
<nowiki>{Translated:حاسوب}</nowiki>

--[[User:Chahibi|Chahibi]] 10:07, 10 December 2006 (PST)
:basically im ok with the suggestion, although the main page could be kept clean with a notice that the term is being discussed in the talk page, but this way is fine too, except that i suggest that votes should be both "with term" and "against term", but there goes another question, are the translation decided on highest vote numbers (total in this case) or by majority of voters (voting might take long time in that case, but i think its healthy)?--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 10:42, 10 December 2006 (PST)
:Is it possible to use arabic names for commands ( in order to have <nowiki>{ترجمة:حاسوب}</nowiki> for example, rather than <nowiki>{Translated:حاسوب}</nowiki> ? --[[User:Abderrahim|Abderrahim]] 12:12, 11 December 2006 (PST)
::Good suggestion, here is a test:
::{{ترجمة|كلمة}}
::It is a bit problematic though (at least with Arabic epiphany on linux), as the order of the name of template and the word need to be reversed. Use at your own risk. I prefer the other template, as there is only *one* right to left space to fill. --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 12:58, 11 December 2006 (PST)
:::I don't see any problems, I'm using epiphany (but not arabic :-p , yes I shouldn't)--[[User:Abderrahim|Abderrahim]] 13:21, 11 December 2006 (PST)
:::It's not the only problematic thing, the epiphany editor widget's bidi is not that good (It's from gecko I suppose) --[[User:Abderrahim|Abderrahim]] 12:08, 12 December 2006 (PST)

=Please switch all A-words to the new template=
Remove the resources header and all links, and add <nowiki>{{template:Word Reference|WORD}}</nowiki>. Thanks Maysara :D --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 11:41, 10 December 2006 (PST)
:This doesn't work with expressions containing spaces (see [[techdict:Adaptive_learning|Adaptive learning]] )--[[User:Abderrahim|Abderrahim]] 13:16, 11 December 2006 (PST)
::There is a workaround, in URL's spaces are translated as %20, so fill the space with %20 and you should be set :). Note the [[techdict:Adaptive_learning|Adaptive learning]] link :) --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 13:26, 11 December 2006 (PST)
:: you were faster, I found another one fill the space with + --[[User:Abderrahim|Abderrahim]] 13:30, 11 December 2006 (PST)

I don't like all those colors --[[User:Chahibi|Chahibi]] 04:45, 16 December 2006 (PST)
:haha, I don't very much either. I admit I'm poor at selecting colors, at any rate feel free to edit them!

== template for terms that should be removed ==

There are many terms that should be removed, ex. [[techdict:Umount]] as this is a unix command line tool and shouldn't be translated. I think we need a template for this to notify modes. --[[User:Hosny|Hosny]] 07:43, 19 December 2006 (PST)
:yes, and we need templates for "still being discussed and open for suggestions" and for "Translated and agreed on" and "translated, not discussed" which would be the default case other that untranslated, i find hard time picking template names and how they should look. any suggestions?--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 08:33, 19 December 2006 (PST)

I (--[[User:Chahibi|Chahibi]] 09:01, 19 December 2006 (PST)) suggest:

* Untranslated
* Being discussed
* Agreed on

== شرح للمصطلحات ==

{{عربي|
ما رأيكم في إضافة شرح للمصطلحات؟ يمكننا عمل قالب بسيط <nowiki>{{Description|Long description of the term blah blah ..}}</nowiki> بهذا يمكني توضيح الكثير، أعلم أن هذه مرحلة متقدمّة لكن لم لا نبدأ الآن؟ :) --[[User:Hosny|Hosny]] 22:02, 21 December 2006 (PST)
}}
:فكرت في نفس الشيء، لكن ليس الآن. فكيف لنا أن نشرح كلمات بكلمات أخرى لم نتفق عليها؟ --[[User:Chahibi|Chahibi]] 09:35, 22 December 2006 (PST)
::Hosny, that's a good idea. Youssef, the descriptions needn't be from the tech dict itself, and if they have to be, no problem, it triggers yet more translations  =) --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 10:41, 22 December 2006 (PST)
:: I agree considered we put a link to any term we use in the description.
example:

Plaintext: 
النص الواضح نص يمكن للجميع قراءته لأنه غير [[Techdict:Encrypted|مشفّر]]. -- [[User:Chahibi|Chahibi]]

==naming standards==
I noticed that there is no standard policy in capitalizing words, for example there is "Zoom '''O'''ut" and "Zoom '''i'''n" ! what do you prefer, it would be better to use one standard way, or at least a clear set of rules.--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 11:01, 22 December 2006 (PST)
:I think it '''all''' should be lower case, '''z'''oom '''i'''n and so, but I think wikimedia capitalize 1st letter, isn't it? --[[User:Hosny|Hosny]] 18:46, 22 December 2006 (PST)
::yes it does, so the first will be always capitalized and this is ok, even if we create a link with a small letter, it will point to an article with capitalized first letter, other wise you suggest all others to be small letters, i will consider this a policy (ill be moving articles) unless somebody says otherwise, lets say in three days?--[[User:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] 23:31, 22 December 2006 (PST)
:::My point is, as we are making a dictionary, it won't be a good practice to have any capitalized letters unless it is a must (in abbreviations for example). --[[User:Hosny|Hosny]] 00:06, 23 December 2006 (PST)
::I have no objection to make them all lower case --[[User:Djihed|Djihed]] 02:07, 23 December 2006 (PST)

== اقتراح لتقييم تقدم نقاش المصطلحات ==

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جهاد: أقترح إضافة تقييم لكل صفحة بحيث نحدد فيما إذا كان نقاش المصطلح في بدايته أو جاري أو وصل إلى نقطة مرضية أو حتى منتهي

لا أعتقد أن إضافة هذه المؤشرات أمر صعب
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== ترجمة العناوين إلى العربية ==

* ترجمة Votes و Comments في جميع الملفات آليا --[[مستخدم:Chahibi|الشهيبي]] ١٦:٠٦, ٣ يناير ٢٠٠٧

== لتصفح أبسط ومردودية أعلى ... ==

... إضافة زرين "المصطلح التالي" و"المصطلح السابق" --[[مستخدم:Chahibi|الشهيبي]] ١٦:٠٨, ٣ يناير ٢٠٠٧

== أحدث تغييرات القاموس ==

يمكننا أن ندمج نتائج أحدث التغييرات في القاموس التقني وفي نقاش القاموس التقني هكذا: 
https://www.arabeyes.org/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%B5:Recentchanges%26namespace%3D100%20or%20101 --[[مستخدم:Maysara.abdulhaq|Maysara.abdulhaq]] ٠٤:٢٨, ١٣ يناير ٢٠٠٧

== اقتراح لقالب شامل ==

اقترح عمل قالب جديد لصفحة المصطلحات يجمع بين كل القوالب المستخدمة حاليا ويضيف بعض الخصائص المنقوصة، صورة القالب في تخيلي شيء مثل:

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{{مصطلح
|المصدر = الترجمة بصيغة المصدر
|الأمر = الترجمة بصيغة الأمر
|الجمع = صيغة الجمع -في حال الحاجة إليها-
|الشرح = شرح المصطلح بالعربية
|متعلقات = المصطلحات المتعلقة بهذا المصطلح
}}
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ويضاف إلى القالب قالبي <nowiki>{{مراجع}}</nowiki> و <nowiki>{{فهرس القاموس}}</nowiki>، بعدها يمكننا إضافة زر لشريط الأدوات يطبع القالب مرة واحدة بحيث لا يبقى سوى ملؤه. أما الصفحات الموجودة فيمكننا استخدام أحد آليي الويكي (wiki bots) لا ستبدالها بالقالب الجديد بعد الإستقرار عليه. --[[مستخدم:Hosny|خالد حسني]] ٠٨:٠٣, ٨ مارس ٢٠٠٧

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New words list for linux kernel

http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelGlossary

--[[مستخدم:Saad|محمد سعد]] 13:30, 27 مارس 2007
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