عرض مصدر نقاش:Arabeyes New Website Prototype

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* Meeting transcript:  [http://files.djihed.com/arabeyes/030308.txt]
* Mailinglist archive: [http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00007.html]
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[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 18:35، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

= Drupal ( and what version 5.x or 6.x RC ?)=
== Khaled Hosney ==
- Said:
[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00008.html]
I've been doing some work lately on drupal 6 (this page it bite
outdated, but I think the file is updated), we need to know the modules
used on the site and prioritise its translation.

'''===> So, do you vote for 6.3 or 5.9 or an earlier version?  ?''' [[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 18:35، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

- Said:
AFAIK, drupal 6 has much better multilingual support than 5.x series,
which is critical to our need. In the meantime we can test and fix the
translation as needed.

'''===> Still need your final vote''' [[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 18:35، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

== Mohammed Sameer ==
- Said:
[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00010.html]
I'd go for 5.x for now but for different reasons:

1) CCK and views for drupal 6 are still RC. The final releases are not there 

yet. I doubt you will build a serious website without them unless you are going to do all the custom content types and views manually which is wrong IMHO.

'''===> You are absolutely correct..'''
* [http://drupal.org/node/277862 views status]
* [http://drupal.org/project/cck cck status]
'''It seems that this CMS 6.x releases have been released without all modules ready!''' [[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 18:35، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)


2) Drupal.org is not yet using drupal 6 for the above reason. If you feel brave enough to use Drupal 6 for arabeyes while drupal.org is not using it yet.

'''===>Update:'''
Drupal.org is going to upgrade to Drupal 6, saying leaving it on 5.x until now was a "mistake"":
[http://www.buytaert.net/drupal-org-status-update Dries Buytaert blog] ..Skip to paragraph #5

'''===> So, Are you voting for Drupal 5.9 ? or an earlier version?''' [[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 18:35، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

==Abderrahim Kitouni==
Said:
[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00016.html]
Just in case you don't know what was already done, I've made a drupal install at http://abderrahim.arablug.org/arabeyes/ , I've tried to make a theme similar to the wiki. I've stopped working on it because CCK and views aren't ready.

Said:
btw, I think it's worth testing cck and views actual versions before trying to use Drupal 5.x (that install uses 6.1 IIRC).

'''===> Some questions:'''
* Why your URL doesn't work, and just give error:
"The page isn't redirecting properly"
* What version is your install?
* Why your install use cck & views version 6.1 RC not 5.x ?

and..
'''Are you voting for Drupal 6.3, 5.9 ? or an earlier version?'''

[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 22:33، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

== Drupal Translation - ترجمة دروبال ==

كما قلت من قبل في القائمة البريدية، الترجمة ليست مشكلة ويمكننا إكمالها في أسبوع أو شيء من هذا القبيل. علينا إذن أن نحدد الإصدارة التي ستستخدم بناء على المعايير الأخرى بغض النظر عن حالة الترجمة فهذه يمكن التعامل معها لاحقا. --[[مستخدم:Hosny|خالد حسني]] 17:45، 8 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)


= Joomla =

== Ossama Khayat ==
Said:
[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00009.html]
AFAIR, the problem with Drupal is that it doesn't have full localization support, at least for menus. That is the main reason why I use Joomla. 

>M. Sameer said:
[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00012.html]
>Not true. There are ways to do it. Check this please: >sanabelnetwork.org 
....
>This was done using the i18n module.

Ossama Said:
[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00020.html]
The screencast I watched here http://drupal.org/node/201788 talked about this. I was referring to Drupal 6 and that's why I thought it wasn't possible.

'''===> So, do you vote for Joomla, or Drupal 6.3 or 5.9 or an earlier version? '''
[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 18:35، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)


= Plone =

==Mohamed Farag==

* I found that Plone 3 has an Arabization group (not clear who are the members, no group page).
* They announced on the translations page that Arabic is 100% translated.
* They claim that Plone has the best integrated internationalization among all other CMSs. [http://plone.org/products/plone/features/3.0/existing-features/outstanding-multilingual-content-management]
* I don't know if Plone has any supporters or experts among Arabeyes team?
* I don't know either if the current website is using Plone?

[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 22:14، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

'''Update'''
Just to update on this:
I researched on Plone, trying to see if it is easy to install and use, in order to get a feel of the road of it.
* Unfortunately, it seems Plone (with its application server framework: Zope) is a large framework that has to be installed on at least a VPS or dedicated server with root-access, admin privileges, and guaranteed amount of RAM.

* It also needs Python programming language knowledge which is not very popular.

* Reference 1
[http://www.insmallsteps.com/faq/hosting/things-to-look-for-with-plone-hosting-services]
* Reference 2
[http://plone.org/documentation/faq/where-can-i-host-my-plone-site]

'''===> My decision: Not to recommend Plone for the new website.'''

= Content Migration Tool =

* Do we need a content migration tool of any kind to migrate all data from the current site - if using Plone - to the Drupal one, if we went for Drupal, or even for Plone 3 , a higher version?

[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 22:14، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

=Theme, layout, design =

==Youssef Chahibi==

Said:[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00022.html]

I like the current website theming. Mimicking it would be functional yet good looking for a first draft.


==Abderrahim Kitouni==

Said:[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00016.html]

I've made a drupal install at http://abderrahim.arablug.org/arabeyes/ , I've tried to make a theme similar to the wiki. I've stopped working on it because CCK and views aren't ready.

'''===> Site is down.''' [[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 09:55، 10 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

Said:[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00024.html]

> * Multinlingual: this is probably priority 1. It has to support both Arabic and English. If a compromise has to be reached, go for Arabic. i.e the emphasis has to be on Arabic.

This is partly done , so I suggest to use my install, I'll try to update it
ASAP.

=LDAP Integration=

==Djihed Afifi==
Said:[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00021.html]

* On LDAP: adn, I know you are busy, but just let us know whether we can do this very easily. We currently have SVN + Wiki + trac + new site, and it would be nice to be able to integrate all three.

==Mohammed Adnene Trojette==
Said:[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00030.html]

Sure we can switch to LDAP. It would be the best way to centralise authentication. I've asked chahibi to have a look at it and given him the rights to.

==Ossama Khayat==
Said:[http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00032.html]

I can help with it too if needed.

=Modules, Functions=
'''Suggested modules/ functions that are not mentioned on the project page, and need more discussion before inclusion.'''
[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 23:20، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

== Sub Projects Function ==
===KhaledHosny===
We need to have a way to set a project page with 
maintainer, members, description. then some projects can be devided into sub-projects, say Quran project -> [libquran, qtquran, unicode integration, tex support, etc..] with some sort of svn integration and such

=== Mohammed Sameer ===
Said: [http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00010.html]

* How to handle sub projects ? I can't recall all the modules but they were not clean.

=== Djihed Afifi  ===
Said:

With ability divide meta-projects into sub-projects.

Said: [http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00025.html]
Khaled's idea of "sub-projects" may also be nice. But please leave it off for now until we see what you guys come up with.

=Portal departments=
'''Suggested departments/pages that are not mentioned on the project page, and need more discussion before inclusion.'''
[[مستخدم:Mfarag|Mfarag]] 23:20، 9 أغسطس 2008 (UTC)

==Arabeyes Jobs Forum==

===Mohamed Farag===
Said: [http://lists.arabeyes.org/archives/general/2008/August/msg00025.html]

I'd like to include a section in the website for hiring Arabeyes members. Consists of profiles of members who like to announce their availability for 
hire, as a service to members. Also, as a next or parallel step, another section for companies or 
individuals to post job requests in the field of computing in general and open source, linux/unix and localization in particular. Let's say: 
Arabeyes job forum.
It can include also a volunteer job section for our use and others' use.